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January 1, 2019

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In life, all we need is an ally that will help bring the best in us and allow us to look at different directions. That person and a believer of that is Pat Obuchowski. She is the founder of inVisionaria, an executive, leadership, and team coaching company, and the creator of Gutsy Women Win which is dedicated to supporting and encouraging women leaders around the world. Sharing how coaching has inspired her to grow into becoming one that also helps people, she now helps many realize their visions and guide them towards it. Pat empowers women to be all they can be and teaches them to be gutsy women in order to get the things they want.

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Gutsy Women Win: How to Get Gutsy and Get Going

I’m excited to be with you. I have, as my guest, Pat Obuchowski. She is the Founder of inVisionaria. I love that name, which is an executive leadership and team coaching company. She is also the creator of Gutsy Women Win, which is dedicated to supporting and encouraging women leaders around the world. Pat is an award-winning author of the bestselling books, Gutsy Women Win: How to Get Gutsy and Get Going, Gutsy Leaders: 140 Bits of Wisdom on How to Build Great Teams with Vision and Compassion, and Success Starts Today featuring Pat and Jack Canfield. He’s someone who wrote the foreword on The Ultimate Game Plan, one of my books. Pat, welcome here to Heartrepreneur Radio.

Thank you so much, Terri. I’m glad to be here.

I’m excited to be with you and we have a mutual friend in Jack Canfield. First of all, you were doing so many cool different things that in our short time, I want to cover it all. How did you get into coaching and writing? How did all this come to be for you?

I got into coaching seventeen years ago. What happened is I used to be an individual. I’ve worked in high tech, in a corporate environment for many years and at my last job, I just decided I can’t do this anymore. It was getting to be too painful to wake up and go to work every single day that I decided I needed to find something different. At that time, I hired a coach who guided me through a process, that reminded me of the things that I loved to do in the work that I had done previously. It was always developing my people. It was always helping them to be their best and to be even better. At that point in time, the whole field of coaching was relatively young. It was brand-new. My coach at that time also told me, “Pat, don’t keep looking for what you’ve already done merely because you know you’re good at it. Start looking at other things that will bring you joy, that will make you happy, that will be ‘The best use of you.’” That’s how I got into coaching.

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That was quite a brilliant coach. I love to hear that someone expands your vision and says something like, “Look at other things that will bring you more joy and happiness.” You allowed yourself to bring out the best of you. That is a darn good coach right there.

It was, Terri, because there are so many times in our life that all we need is an ally that gives us the permission to look in a different direction and a different perspective and get different results. I am forever grateful to that individual.

It will be my 20th anniversary in this business. I can’t even believe that. I had hired a coach to figure out how to leave corporate America, not ever thinking that I would personally be a coach or a consultant. One of my first sessions, she said, “Find what brings you joy and delight.” I always remember that. I was journaling that evening and I thought, “Looks like fun what she’s doing, I might want to do that.” Look how these things come about with great coaches who open up our minds and then allow us to make our decisions and find our path. It’s beautiful. What is inVisionaria? Every time I say that or see that written, I get some goosebumps. It’s a brilliant name.

Thank you very much. That’s what all the things that come out of me that is brilliant. I did it with a help of someone else. For me, at the time when I was creating my business envisioning what it is that I wanted it to look like, I love the concept about visioning. What it is that we take a look at in the future for ourselves? The company is all about the vision of helping people find their vision, create their vision. Visions are great, but sometimes they’re always out there. They’re always up in the sky or very aloft from our day-to-day.

It was important for me to help people realize that we have to be in our vision. Leave the things that we don’t love anymore out at one time. To be able to do it every single day, something little, it keeps you in your vision. Aria is music created for a single voice, which is with an accompaniment. You are the one that has the single voice. It’s your voice. Find your voice and I, as your coach, am your accompaniment along the journey.

I love the concept of finding your voice and then you being there with them on the journey. You also said something about synchronicity. I was having this conversation with someone. They were sharing a vision. It’s a good friend of mine and the vision is huge. It’s a BHAG. It’s a big one. I said, “What actions are you taking each day to get to the vision?” There was all of this silence. I love what you said about doing something daily to get there. We get in the car and we’d just go, “I’m in Texas and I want to go to California.” If we don’t start driving the car, you don’t get anywhere. I like doing something daily to start moving to the vision that you want to achieve. I checked out the website, and I thought, “People need to know about this.” How did Gutsy Women Win come along? What is the mission that women leaders can learn from this?

Gutsy Women Win came into being many years ago. I have always been a huge activist for women in two particular areas. The first one is economics because women need more money. I am all about women finding their voice to be asking for that. Secondly, we need more political power. We have to get more women creating laws where women have the input for those particular laws. I’ve always been an activist for those. When I got into my own business and many years of coaching with many different types of people, I wanted to focus on coaching women in positions that are stepping into their power.

As I took a look at the brand, because we’re always branding ourselves, I realized that gutsy is the way that we, as women, need to be acting in the world in order to get the things that we want to get. It’s being courageous and determined., being characterized by passion. When I say Gutsy Women Win, I don’t mean if you’re not gutsy, you lose, not at all. We need to step a little bit more into our gutsiness and get out there and your gutsiness, Terri, is going to be very different from my gustiness, whatever that may look like. What is it for me that makes me stretch myself and grow because we are modeling as leaders all the time.

There’s so much in that that just resonates and makes sense. We have so many paths in common, Pat. I’m like, “How do we not know each other over this course of time?” When I got my bachelor’s degree in Speech-Language Pathology, I also took the first ever women’s studies course and got one of the first certificates from the University of Pittsburgh in that. Why? I believed, going way back then in my college days, that women needed to be involved in politics, in creating laws, and understanding how to make money. I have always found myself to be an activist for women as well. I’m going to ask you a question that may be a little controversial and I feel comfortable asking this. A lot of people say that women who are gutsy, who are courageous, and who are running after their passion give up their femininity. How can we be gutsy without losing our feminine qualities?

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We need to learn to define these words for ourselves. What is feminine? I have a hard edge to me and yet I love the softness. I love the colors. I love soft music. I love being a woman quite honestly, dressing up and putting on those heels and I also love putting on a pair of jeans and going hiking in the woods and cutting wood. I love all that stuff, too. How do you define feminine? We need to start turning into our own self-awareness for the definitions that we want of that whole concept of being feminine.

I thought at first where your question was going is women who do go after what they want are usually not considered assertive but are sometimes considered the B word. We are sometimes considered that. Most of my coaching is done inside of companies. The thing that we need to notice is what is our impact and if sometimes we cross that line of being that strong, yes, it does impact our impact. We need to keep looking as to what is that impact. It is that the result that I want to get. It’s a lot about self-awareness, too.

When I was President of a national healthcare company years ago in corporate America, I thought that to be the only female in that position in almost any healthcare company that I had to be like a man. I have to smoke a cigar, drink scotch, and be one of the good old boys. The first year I did that and felt completely uncomfortable and not aligned. The second year, I said, and that self-awareness word came up, “That’s not me. That’s not who I am. I’m going to show up. I’m going to be me. I’m not one of the boys. I have a different way of asserting my power.” The second year, I enjoyed my job so much more and feel so much better.

That’s where the whole concept of authenticity sets in. It’s all about defining ourselves, who we want to be, and how we want to show up in life. There was a time I was trying to figure out what does success mean to me. I was raised with the concept of success means money, it means title and all of that outer stuff. One time I had the amazing opportunity to meet John Wooden. He was the Head Coach at UCLA and he won ten NCAA National Championships. One of the things that he told me was, “Success is a peace of mind, which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing that you did your best to become the best you are capable of becoming.”

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I know that they’re going to be many people who would like to connect with you and get your books. Can you tell us how to make a connection and where to find your books?

My book is still on all national books selling websites. They can contact me at or check out the website

Pat, this has been such a great interview. I have goosebumps and I am glad I’m getting to know you. I’m going to share with the audience how to join our community and I’m going to invite you in because we would love to continue the journey with you. Thank you for being with me, Pat.

Thank you very much for inviting.

You’re welcome. For the audience, I do want to tell you about two ways to join our community and to get to know about 2,400 amazing Heartrepreneurs and amazing folks that I’ve interviewed here on Heartrepreneur Radio like Pat. You can join our Facebook community at Heartrepreneurs with Terri Levine. It’s a Facebook group, a super active and engaged community. Heartrepreneurs do business with Heartrepreneurs, so you will find lots of folks in there who will resonate with you. You can also join for free and have access to our forums and our experts and get lots of help and advice and make some new Heartrepreneur friends. Thanks again for tuning in here at Heartrepreneur Radio.

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About Pat Obuchowski

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Pat Obuchowskiis the founder of inVisionaria, an executive, leadership and team coaching company. Pat is the creator of Gutsy Women Win ( which is dedicated to supporting and encouraging women leaders around the world. She is the author of the best selling books Gutsy Women Win: How to Get Gutsy and Get Going, Gutsy Leaders: 140 Bits of Wisdom to Build Great Teams with Vision and Compassion and Success Starts Today featuring Pat and Jack Canfield.

Pat’s vision is that through the connections you make, the support you receive and the inspiration you find in others and give to others, you make your visions a reality. As Chief Empowerment Officer of inVisionaria (, she guides clients in honing their leadership, interpersonal, communication, and organizational skills. Invoking her“unorthodox rational optimistic” style, Pat demonstrates how to realize your own unique power and bring your deepest professional and personal vision to life.

Pat is a trusted advisor to her clients and guides them to achieve their vision on both a professional and personal level. She has worked with hundreds of people assisting them in finding and bringing their bigger games into the world and shows leaders how to confidently assert and demonstrate their readiness and commitment to advance — first with a focus on self and then to others.

A certified and credentialed coach, Pat has over 25 years of operational experience in various industries. She has also run two of her own successful businesses. You can learn more about Pat and all that she is doing online at or your favorite social media (@GutsyWomenWin).

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